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Galadriel Artanis
Posted: Aug 16 2008, 03:27 PM 937252


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Joj - hvala jumpy.gif jumpy.gif jumpy.gif

Potpišem te i sve hug.gif hug.gif hug.gif

Samo ne znam što ću sa slikama conf44.gif
 
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Ellin
Posted: Aug 29 2008, 11:51 AM 943107


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QUOTE (Meneldil @ Aug 6 2008, 07:17 PM)
1. Buduci da je Tolkien - kako već rekosmo - ideju za Quenyu dobio vidjevši finski, jezik hrvatskom i engleskom nesrodan i od njih prilicno drugaciji, tako i Quenya ima dosta osobina koje bi se govornicima hrvatskoga mogle uciniti čudnima. No bitno je znati da govornicima nekih drugih jezika ne bi.
2. Quendijski jezik...

1. znaci li to da pripadnici nekih govornih podrucja, u ovom konkretnom slucaju - finci, imaju mogucnost lakse nauciti i "osjetiti", da se tako izrazim, gramatiku dok uce? unsure.gif

2. quenya ---> quenDijski? otkud ovo D? je li onda nepravilno reci quenijski? unsure.gif
 
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saruman
Posted: Aug 29 2008, 12:33 PM 943125


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2. mozda zbog "quendi". unsure.gif
 
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Morgul Queen
Posted: Aug 29 2008, 01:56 PM 943175


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mislim da je quenijski, buduci da u knjizi ipak pise "kvenijski" a ne "kvendijski" unsure.gif
 
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Lalaith en Noldor
Posted: Aug 31 2008, 04:51 PM 944017


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Jel smijem ja ovo tu postat? huh.gif Valjda da smile.gif

Ovo sam nasla, iako vjerojatno svi vec znate [nije mi se dalo listat sve strane od onih 200 i vise u topicu Quenya i Sindarin, dospjela sam do stote tongue.gif ]
Al svejedno cu c/p-at:

Mae govannen
My go-VAH-nen
Well met


Suilaid
Soo-ih-lied
Greetings


Elen síla lumenn' omentielvo
Q, ELL-ehn SEE-lah LOO-men oh-men-tee-el-voh [the tee-el is slurred together]
A star shines on the hour of our meeting


Gîl síla na lű govaded
Gil SEE-la nah loo go-VAH-dead
A star shines on the time of our meeting


Im gelir ceni ad lín
Eem geh-leer keh-nee ahd leen
I am happy to see you again


Le suilon
Lay swee-lonn
I greet thee


Mára aurë
Q, Mah-rah ow-ray
Hello




Questions

Pedich Edhellen?
PEH-deekh eth-ell-ehn?
Do you speak Elvish?


Iston le?
EE-stohn lay?
Do I know you?


Heniach nin?
Hen-ee-akh neen?
Do you understand me?


Man eneth lín?
Mahn eh-nehth leen?
What is your name?


O man dôr túliel le?
Oh mahn dore tool-ee-ell lay?
From what land do you come?


Man carel le?
Mahn kah-rell lay?
What are you doing?


Man anírach cerin an le?
Mahn ah-NEAR-ahkh care-een ahn lay?
What can I do for you?


Le no an-uir nîn?
Lay no ahn-oo-ear neen?
Will you be mine forever?


Aníral toled na gar nîn?
Ah-NEAR-ahl tole-ehd nah gahr neen?
Do you want to come to my house?


Aníral maded?
Ah-NEAR-ahl mah-dead?
Do you want to eat?


Aníral sogad?
Ah-NEAR-ahl soe-gahd
Do you want to drink?


Sen tîr?
Sehn teer?
Is this true?


Man tolthant i 'waew?
Mahn tole-thahnt ee wye?
How is the weather?


Man sad Imladris?
Mahn sahd Eem-lahd-rees?
Where is Rivendell?


Man râd na Imladris?
Mahn rahd nah Eem-lahd-rees?
Which way to Rivendell?


Man ceril?
Mahn kare-eel?
What do you do?


Man lű nostor lîn?
Mahn loo nohs-tore leen?
When is your birthday? (lit. "What time is your birthday?")


Le gwennen?
Lay gwehn-nehn?
Are you married?


Man sâd telil?
Mahn sahd tehl-eel?
Where are you from?


Man lű vin achenitham?
Mahn loo veen ah-khehn-ee-thahm?
When will we see each other again?


Man mathach?
Mahn mah-thakh?
How do you feel?


Manen orchal le?
Mah-nehn ore-khahl lay?
How tall are you?


Manen nalyë?
Q, Mah-nehn nahl-yay?
How are you?




Commands

Tiro!
TEAR-oh!
Look!


Bado na Ennorath!
BAH-doh nah enn-ore-ahth
Go to Middle-earth!


Gwanno ereb nin!
GWAH-no air-ehb neen!
Leave me alone!


Daro i!
DAR-oh ee!
Stop that!


Sedho!
SEH-tho!
Quiet!


Edro!
ED-ro!
Open!


Lasto!
LAHS-toe!
Listen!


Ava vanta i salquessë
Q, Ah-vah vahn-tah ee sahl-QUEHS-say
Keep off the grass


Anno nin ---
Ahn-no neen ---
Give me ---


No diriel!
No dear-ee-ell!
Be watchful!


No veren!
No vare-ehn!
Be bold!


Drego!
Dreh-go!
Flee!


Ceno!
Keh-no!
See!


Alae!
Ah-lye!
Behold!


Tolo hi!
Toe-loe hee!
Come now!


No dhínen!
No thee-nehn!
Be silent!


Bertho!
Bare-tho!
Dare it!


Avo 'osto!
Ah-voe ohs-toe!
Fear not!


Avo acheno
Ah-voe ah-kheh-no
Don't look back


Hebo estel
Heh-bo ehs-tell
Have hope




Insults

Nostach be Orch gaer
NOST-akh bay orkh gire
You smell like ten orcs


Garich i dhôl goll o Orch
Gahr-eekh ee thole goal oh orkh
You have the hollow head of an orc


Lasto lalaith nîn
Lah-stoh lah-LITHE neen
Hear/listen to my laughter


Rhachon le!
Rahkh-on lay!
I curse you!


Dôl lost lîn
Dole lohst leen
Your head is empty


Nai Ungoliant meditha le
Nie un-GOAL-ee-ahnt meh-DEETH-ah lay
May Ungoliant devour you


Labo vi Orodruin
Lah-boe vee Ore-oh-DROO-inn
Go jump in Mount Doom


Ti tállbe Orch
Tee tahl-bay Orkh
Go kiss an orc


Tevenyel
Q, Teh-vehn-yell
I hate you


Hria cuilë
Q, hear-ah kweel-ay
Get a life


Nai Valaraukar tye-mátar
Q, nye Vahl-are-ow-kahr too-ay-mah-tahr
May Balrogs eat you




Thank you's

Le hannon
Lay hah-non
Thank you


Rim hennaid
Reem hen-ide
Many thanks


Hantale
Q, Hahn-TAH-lay
Thanks


Gen hannon
Gehn hahn-nohn
I thank you


Le hannon a tholel
Lay hahn-nohn ah thole-ehll
Thank you for coming




Other phrases/exclamations

Ai!
Eye!
Ah!


Le melon
Lay mell-on
I love you


Tancave
Q, tahn-KAH-vay
Yes [lit. "certainly"]


Lau
Q, Lou [as in loud]
No


Mae
My
Yes [lit. "well"]


Baw
Bow [rhymes with cow]
No [denying intentions]


Law
Low [as in loud]
No [denying facts]


Aur Onnad Meren!
Our oh-nahd mare-ehn!
Happy Birthday!


Garo arad-o-onnad 'elir!
Gah-roe ah-rahd-oh-on-nahd eh-leer!
Have a happy birthday!


--- eneth nîn
--- eh-nehth neen
My name is [your name here]


Im ---
Eem ---
I'm [your name here]


Estannen ---
Ehs-tahn-nehn ---
I'm called [your name here]


Nin estar ---
Neen ehs-tahr ---
They call me [your name here]


Findesselya vanya
Q, feen-dess-ell-yah vahn-yah
Your hair is pretty


Tiro na i ninniach vanui
Tear-oh nah ee neen-nee-ahkh vah-noo-ee.
Look at the beautiful rainbow


I Anor hílol
Ee Ah-nore hee-lole
The sun is shining


Hű nîn mant han
Hoo neen mahnt hahn
My dog ate it


Aníron gwanna
Ah-NEAR-on gwahn-nah
I wish I could leave


Ae anírach
Eye ah-NEAR-ahkh
If you wish


Rhaich!
Rike!
Curses!


Im ruthui!
Eem roo-thoo-ee!
I am angry!


Gelir na thaed
Geh-leer nah thide
Happy to help


Edro gűr lín
Eh-droe goor leen
Open your heart


Melin ceni hin lîn síla i 'eladhach
Meh-leen keh-nee heen leen see-lah ee eh-lahth-ahkh
I love to see your eyes shine when you laugh


Im gelir an le
Eem geh-leer ahn lay
I am happy for you


Hebin anim
Heh-bean ahn-eem
I keep it for myself


Glassen
Glahs-sehn
My pleasure


Im harnannen!
Eem hahr-nahn-nehn!
I'm wounded!


Gurth 'ni yrch!
Goorth nee oorkh!
Death to the orcs!


Telin o Imladris
Teh-leen oh Eem-lahd-rees
I come from Rivendell


Nostor nî ned ---
Nohs-tore nee nehd ---
My birthday is on ---


Gwedhithon na ---
Gweh-thee-thohn nah ---
I'm engaged to ---


Im gwennen na ---
Eem gweh-nehn nah ---
I'm married to ---


Aiya!
Q, Eye-ah!
Hail!


Im maer
Eem myre.
I'm well.


Aníron gladhad
Ah-NEAR-on glah-thahd
I want to laugh


Im gruitheb na ---
Eem grwee-thehb nah ---
I'm angry at --- (lit. "I feel angry toward ---")


Im lhaew
Eem lye
I'm ill


No ce ammaer ab lű thent
No kay ahm-myre ahb loo thehnt
May you be better soon


Im gosta
Eem gohs-tah
I'm afraid


Hain ú-'rogon
Hyne oo-roe-gohn
I do not fear them


Linnon am meleth vîn
Leen-non ahm meh-lehth veen
I sing because I love you (lit. "I sing for our love")


Sa farn palan
Sah fahrn pah-lahn
This is far enough


Pelin pedi i lam edhellen
Peh-leen peh-dee ee lahm eh-thehl-lehn
I can speak the Elvish language


Isusarad 'elir
Ees-oos-ahr-ahd ehl-eer
Merry Christmas


Idhrin-eden 'elir
Ee-threen-ehd-ehn ehl-eer
Happy New Year


Goheno nin
Go-hay-no neen
Forgive me


Ni quorya
Q, Nee quore-yah
I'm drowning


Heca, firimar
Q, Hay-kah fear-ee-mahr
Stand aside, mortals


Ya línna ambanna tulinuva nan
Q, Yah lihn-nah ahm-bahn-nah too-lee-noo-vah nahn
What goes up must come down




Farewells

Namárië
Q, Nah-MAR-ee-ay
Farewell


Navaer
Nah-VIRE
Farewell


Belain na le
Beh-LINE nah lay
The Valar be with you


Calo anor na ven
KAH-loh AH-nore nah vehn
May the sun shine on your road


Garo arad vaer
GAH-roh ARE-ahd vire
Have a good day


Nai haryuvalyë melwa rë
Q, Nye hahr-YOO-vah-lee-ay MELL-wah ray
May you have a lovely day


Noro go hűl, bado go Eru
Nore-oh go hool, BAH-doe go air-OO
Run with the wind, go with God


Ná Elbereth veria le, ná elenath dín síla erin rád o chuil lín.
Nah Ell-bare-ehth vare-ee-ah lay, nah ELL-ehn-ahth deen see-lah air-een rahd oh hweel leen.
May Elbereth protect you, may her stars shine on the path of your life.


I Melain berio le
Ee meh-LINE bare-ee-oh lay
May the Valar keep you


Cuio vae!
Kwee-oh vye!
Fare well!


No galu govad gen
No gah-loo go-vahd gehn
May blessings go with you


No in elenath hîlar nan hâd gîn
No een elehn-nahth hee-lahr nahn hahd geen [hard G]
May all stars shine upon your path


Mára mesta
Q, Mah-rah meh-stah
Goodbye


Znam da znate, ali... Sve je u Sindarinu, osim onih sto imaju Q pored eng prijevoda happy.gif [srednji red je izgovor smile.gif]
 
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saruman
Posted: Aug 31 2008, 10:15 PM 944110


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Nasao ovo u jednom stripu, jel moze mi tko to prevest? Molim, hvala. sleep.gif
 
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Númellóte
Posted: Aug 31 2008, 10:56 PM 944132


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A da malo povećaš? unsure.gif
 
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saruman
Posted: Aug 31 2008, 10:57 PM 944134


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QUOTE (Númellóte @ Aug 31 2008, 11:55 PM)
A da malo povećaš? ::

To je maksimalno uvecanje... sad.gif
 
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Meneldil
Posted: Aug 31 2008, 11:20 PM 944161


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QUOTE (Ellin @ Aug 29 2008, 12:50 PM)
QUOTE (Meneldil @ Aug 6 2008, 07:17 PM)
1. Buduci da je Tolkien - kako već rekosmo - ideju za Quenyu dobio vidjevši finski, jezik hrvatskom i engleskom nesrodan i od njih prilicno drugaciji, tako i Quenya ima dosta osobina koje bi se govornicima hrvatskoga mogle uciniti čudnima. No bitno je znati da govornicima nekih drugih jezika ne bi.
2. Quendijski jezik...

1. znaci li to da pripadnici nekih govornih podrucja, u ovom konkretnom slucaju - finci, imaju mogucnost lakse nauciti i "osjetiti", da se tako izrazim, gramatiku dok uce? unsure.gif

2. quenya ---> quenDijski? otkud ovo D? je li onda nepravilno reci quenijski? unsure.gif

1. Gramatiku svakako. Recimo, Hrvatima koji ne znaju dovoljno o jezicima ne bi nikada palo na pamet da se "iz moje kuce (coa)" kaže coanyallo, dok bi Fincima i Mađarima to bila najnormalnija stvar. Isto kao što bi utúvienyes za našao sam ga nama bilo čudnije nego Mađarima.
Treci primjer bi bilo iskljucivo i ukljucivo "mi" koje ne bi bilo ništa novo uhm... Vjetnamcima? silly.gif dok je Hrvatu koji radi s Quenyom to nešto na što mora stalno paziti.


2. Hrvati -> hrvatski
Indijci -> indijski, ali ne hindi -> hindijski ili sanskrt -> sanskrtski
Quendi -> quendijski, ali ne quenya -> pitajbogašta
Imena jezika se ili izvode iz imena govornika (indijski jezici) ili se, ako jezik već ima neko ime, ono posuđuje (hindi, sanskrt).
Inace, Quenya je i na Quenyi izvedenica od Quen (množina Quendi), i na vanyarskom dijalektu se i zove Quendya. yes.gif

 
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saruman
Posted: Aug 31 2008, 11:28 PM 944177


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Ipak sam bio u pravu Napokon i ja se proslavio u ovom topicu, sto nije mala stvar jer mi je gramatika najmrza stvar odmah do matematike. rofl.gif

Vanya, onaj tekstich

Edited by saruman - Sep 1 2008, 12:27 AM
 
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Meneldil
Posted: Aug 31 2008, 11:34 PM 944188


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QUOTE (saruman @ Sep 1 2008, 12:27 AM)
sto nije mala stvar jer mi je gramatika najmrza stvar odmah do matematike.  rofl.gif

Vanya, onaj tekstich

Nemoj ovo nikako shvatiti kao da govorim nešto protiv tebe - govorim protiv školskoga sustava... ali vecina ljudi nikada ne sazna što sve gramatika i lingvistika zapravu ukljucuju sleep.gif tongue.gif

Za ovo ti odgovorim sutra, prije par sati sam se vratio s osmodnevne ekskurzije na kojoj sam spavao 20 sati, što je dosta za tri dana, a hodao 30 kilometara, što je dosta za dva života rofl.gif

Edited by Meneldil - Sep 1 2008, 12:34 AM
 
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saruman
Posted: Aug 31 2008, 11:37 PM 944192


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QUOTE (Meneldil @ Sep 1 2008, 12:34 AM)
1 Nemoj ovo nikako shvatiti kao da govorim nešto protiv tebe - govorim protiv školskoga sustava... ali vecina ljudi nikada ne sazna što sve gramatika i lingvistika zapravu ukljucuju :

2 Za ovo ti odgovorim sutra, prije par sati sam se vratio s osmodnevne ekskurzije na kojoj sam spavao 20 sati, što je dosta za tri dana, a hodao 30 kilometara, što je dosta za dva života ::

1 znam ja da sam baksus za to. rofl.gif ali stoces, kada se gramatika tako dosadno poucava, nemam je ni zelje uciti. A i sama po sebi nije zanimljiva. no.gif Bar meni i vecini ljudi biggrin.gif

2 Moze, kad stignes. smilie.gif
 
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Aislinn
Posted: Sep 1 2008, 12:26 AM 944218


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Lalaith en Noldor, hvala hug.gif ovo je kratki tečaj: kako se praviti važan i uspjeti ako ti ne otkriju šalabahter
 
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Lalaith en Noldor
Posted: Sep 1 2008, 02:35 PM 944360


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QUOTE (Aislinn @ Sep 1 2008, 01:25 AM)
Lalaith en Noldor, hvala hug.gif  ovo je kratki tečaj: kako se praviti važan i uspjeti ako ti ne otkriju šalabahter

Nema frke, Aislinn... hug.gif Ak nadjem jos negdje nes, sam zalijepim happy.gif
 
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Aislinn
Posted: Sep 1 2008, 02:39 PM 944364


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Le hannon, Lalaith
hug.gif

ha, si vidla?
 
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